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  1. Apisto. sp. " Rio Mamore " + Crenicara punctulata
    by Marco Lacerda <marcolacerda/ax.apc.org> (Sat, 20 Dec 1997)
  2. Apisto. sp. " Rio Mamore " + Crenicara punctulata
    by Marco Lacerda <marcolacerda/ax.apc.org> (Sat, 20 Dec 1997)
  3. Re:A. elizabethae spawn
    by "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2/tampabay.rr.com> (Fri, 2 Jul 1999)

Apisto. sp. " Rio Mamore " + Crenicara punctulata

by Marco Lacerda <marcolacerda/ax.apc.org>
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com

Erik Olson wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Mroz, Tom wrote:
> 
> > If they hold onto their "diamond" shaped tails (like agassizi?), I would
> > compare them to pictures in books of A. elizabethae - that would make it
> > a very rare find indeed!
> 
> Actually, the ubiquotous Romer and Soares have found that elizabethae
> don't have spade tails at all, but lyrate! I have them on videotape, along
> with Dave pointing at the sketch in Linke & Staek & chastising it. :)

Dear Erik,

Yes, at first, I must say that I agree with you, with A. sp. Mamore has 
no chance of being A. elizabethae!

But about the caudal fin shape of A. elizabethae, it is true that adult 
males have it lyreate like A. paucisquamis, but young males when 
developing the adult shape form have it with the central rays extended, 
looking like a lanceolate or spade form.
If you read the original description of this species, Kullander reported 
its caudal fin to be lyreate, because his description is based on young 
fishes.

All the best, Marco.


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Apisto. sp. " Rio Mamore " + Crenicara punctulata

by Marco Lacerda <marcolacerda/ax.apc.org>
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com

Mroz, Tom wrote:
> 
>         Hmmmm, then what are the key characteristics that differentiate
> them from Brietbinden other than perhaps color scheme?  Are there any
> pictures of elizabethae that can be considered "accurate" in the
> currently available literature?

Yes, all the pictures of A. elizabethae I've seen in literature are 
correctly identified.
Most come from U. Roemer's photos, and some places they've been 
published are:

- Aqualog SAC-II: pages 32-33 (you see there young fish with spade 
shaped caudal fin, as well as lyreate ones [S03475-3, S03480-4])
- Linke & Staeck (1997 German edition): page 47 (fish with an almost 
completed lyreate tail developed)
- Mayland & Bork: pages 60-61
- different magazines (I don't remember the issues now): DATZ, 
Buntbarsche Jahrbuch, AquaGeographia [all those by Roemer], Aquaristik 
aktuell [by H.G. Evers].

>         Meanwhile, there are pictures of A sp. mamore in the aqualog
> book, now that I remember, but they have more of a rounded semi-delta
> tail like trifasciata, correct?

Absolutely. A. sp. Mamore has ALWAYS rounded to truncate caudal fin, 
never spade or lyreate shaped!!!

All the best, Marco.
>

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Re:A. elizabethae spawn

by "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2/tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999
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Well Folks......I guess this is why we are all in the hobby.  I just had a
spawn
and I am a bit beside myself.  You would think after 34 some years raising
fish
this wouldn't happen.....but I guess we are all still a bit of a kid at
heart!

My    A. elizabethae   spawned some time tonight.  I went in to feed just
now and I couldn't find one of the females of my two pair.  Of course I'm
thinking the worse....that she jumped....when all of a sudden she popped her
head out of the top of a potted plant and her ventrals were as black as
coal.  I investigated the pot and there was the clutch of eggs (about
25-30)!

The bad news.....I had just gotten the fish 5-6 days ago and they were in a
pH of about 6.5 when I got them.  I have been slowly lowering the pH to the
eventual .........oh...... 4.8 or so but I haven't gotten there yet.  The pH
is about 5.9-6.0, microsiemens about 50, now.......don't know if the eggs
will be viable at that pH........but, it seems as though I have a compatible
pair anyway!!

I have slides of the eggs and fish.......will have them ready to show anyone
who wants to look at Detroit next week!!  See you guys at the meeting Friday
night.....I am really looking forward to meeting and putting faces with all
of the names!   Thanks for listening to an excited possible
Daddy.........;-)

Mike


Mike Jacobs
Center for Advanced Technologies
Lakewood H.S.
St Pete, Fl
mfjacobs@geocities.com
mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com




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