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  1. Beefheart?
    by alisa-at-vkgs.com (Alisa Dean) (15 Nov 1994)
  2. Beefheart?
    by mattk-at-summit.novell.com (Kaufman M.E.) (19 Nov 1994)

Beefheart?

by alisa-at-vkgs.com (Alisa Dean)
Date: 15 Nov 1994
Newsgroup: rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria,alt.aquaria

In article <39rpl7$qg6-at-gold.interlog.com>, richard-at-interlog.com (Richard Sexton) says:
>
>In article <39ogj4$4ml-at-steel.interlog.com>,
>Glenn Anderson  <gramps-at-interlog.com> wrote:
>>I'm looking for a good beefheart recipe for Discus. If anyone has
>>one please post or EMAIL to: GRAMPS-at-INTERLOG.COM
>>
>>Thanks in advance.....Glenn
>
>I always cut the heart up into ice cube size lumps, froze it, then
>cut small shavings, frozen, and tossed it into the tanks.
>
>Charlie Drew in Burlington makes a formula with pureed heart, 
>dog vitamins and geletin to binf the mess together. I'ts pretty
>messy stuff - I can't reccommend running it through a blender.
>
>
>-- 
>                  ``Learn the rules, then break them.''
>
>Richard J. Sexton, Canada /  VRx Network Services / richard-at-panchax.gryphon.com

There is a recipe that was published in a discus book I read once. 
It had the following ingredients, but I can't remember the proportions:

* Beef heart, trimmed of all fat
* Spirulina algae
* Liquid vitamins (I think the person used human baby vitamins)
* Shelled shrimp
* Fish fillets, such as white fish or halibut
* Spinach (I think)
* Plain Gelatin

Blend everything but the gelatin in a food processor or blender, 
adding a little water, if necessary.  Don't overblend - you want 
small food particles, not batter.

Cook gelatin according to instructions on package.  Add to the 
mess.  Spread in thin pans, like cookie sheets with sides.  Put in 
freezer.  Break up into pieces when frozen, and keep in 
airtight containers.

Thaw before feeding.

Alisa


From rec.aquaria Tue Nov 22 23:41:52 1994
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In article <39rpl7$qg6-at-gold.interlog.com>, richard-at-interlog.com (Richard
Sexton) wrote:

> In article <39ogj4$4ml-at-steel.interlog.com>,
> Glenn Anderson  <gramps-at-interlog.com> wrote:
> >I'm looking for a good beefheart recipe for Discus. If anyone has
> >one please post or EMAIL to: GRAMPS-at-INTERLOG.COM
> >
> >Thanks in advance.....Glenn
> 
> I always cut the heart up into ice cube size lumps, froze it, then
> cut small shavings, frozen, and tossed it into the tanks.
> 
> Charlie Drew in Burlington makes a formula with pureed heart, 
> dog vitamins and geletin to binf the mess together. I'ts pretty
> messy stuff - I can't reccommend running it through a blender.
> 
> 
> -- 
>                   ``Learn the rules, then break them.''
> 
> Richard J. Sexton, Canada /  VRx Network Services / richard-at-panchax.gryphon.com

Richard, I make a blend similar to what was advocated recently in a TFH or
FAMA article.  

To 1/2 of a beef heart I add
   1/2 cup of shrimp with exoskeleton
    Florets from 1 small head of broccoli (cauliflower can be used)
		1 teaspoon of vitamin mixture 
		1/2 banana
		3 small carrots

I run this through food processor until everything except broccoli florets
are homogonized, I haven't been able to make them disappear into the mix
completely.  I freeze this and feed by shaving off the frozen chunk with
only a minimum of thawing.  I have never tried adding gelatin.

Beef heart is carefully cleaned of all fat, membranes, and connective
tissue prior to processing.  My fish, primarily dwarf cichlids, seem to
relish it.

Charles Ray - Kribs are for everyone!

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    In article <3abc06$2hl-at-potogold.rmii.com>, Alisa Dean <alisa-at-vkgs.com>
    wrote:
    > 
    > In article <39rpl7$qg6-at-gold.interlog.com>, richard-at-interlog.com
    > (Richard Sexton) says:
    >> ...
    >> Charlie Drew in Burlington makes a formula with pureed heart, 
    >> dog vitamins and geletin to binf the mess together. I'ts pretty
    >> messy stuff - I can't reccommend running it through a blender.
    >
    > There is a recipe that was published in a discus book I read once. 
    > It had the following ingredients, but I can't remember the proportions:
    >
    >* Beef heart, trimmed of all fat
    >* Spirulina algae
    >* Liquid vitamins (I think the person used human baby vitamins)
    >* Shelled shrimp
    >* Fish fillets, such as white fish or halibut
    >* Spinach (I think)
    >* Plain Gelatin
    >
    >Blend everything but the gelatin in a food processor or blender, 
    >adding a little water, if necessary.  Don't overblend - you want 
    >small food particles, not batter.
    >
    >Cook gelatin according to instructions on package.  Add to the 
    >mess.  Spread in thin pans, like cookie sheets with sides.  Put in 
    >freezer.  Break up into pieces when frozen, and keep in 
    >airtight containers.
    >
    >Thaw before feeding.


    This is an old repost that may help:


    | From: edwong-at-lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
    | Subject: Re: Recipe for beefheart mix for discus
    | 
    | I posted the beefheart recipe that I use to make food for my discus
    | about two months ago which I've reposted below.  It consists mainly
    | of beefheart and shrimp (the kind for human consumption).  The
    | beefheart is a great inexpensive source of protein and the shrimp 
    | provides many vitamins, minerals and essential fatty acids.  Spinach 
    | is added to provide additional vitamins as well as roughage to aid the
    | discus' digestion.  In addition, a vitamin supplement is added to the
    | mix as well.  I've heard of vitamin powder for pet birds being used as
    | well as aquatic vitamin drops, but I just use crushed-up human vitamin
    | tablets (One-A-Day is good because it contains additional
    | supplements of calcium and iron which are beneficial to the fish).
    | 
    | Recently, I've modified the recipe slightly with the addition of
    | spirulina, a form of blue-green algae.  Spirulina is rich in proteins
    | and amino acids and is high in carotenoids (carotenes and xanthophylls)
    | which aid in the development of color pigmentation when consumed by the
    | discus thus enhancing their coloration.  For the amount of discus
    | food produced by the recipe below, 3 tablespoons of spirulina powder
    | should be sufficient.  (BTW, much thanks to all those who answered
    | my request for a good source of pure spirulina.  Powder can be purchased
    | mail order from Wet Thumb Aquatics (313-725-0960) or at some health
    | food stores in tablet or powder form).
    | 
    | This beefheart mix serves as the primary component of my fish's diet.
    | I've also been culturing whiteworms as a live food supplement and
    | thinking about starting up a culture of African red wigglers as well.
    | I avoid feeding freshwater critters in any form.
    | 
    | Anyways, here is the repost...
    | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    | Here is the formula I use to make the beefheart-based food which I feed
    | my discus.  They seem to really enjoy it and I've obtained good growth
    | rates with it as well.  I'm sure other types of fish would enjoy it
    | as well.
    | 
    | Ingredients:
    | 
    |    1.5 LB. fresh beef heart (very inexpensive)
    |    0.5 LB. shrimp (the kind we eat! expensive)
    |    1 medium bunch of spinach
    |    1 package of unflavored gelatin powder
    |    1 or 2 multivitamin tablets (the human kind)
    | 
    | Take the beefheart and trim away all the veins and fat.  Grind, chop or
    | mince the beefheart until fairly fine.  Place the beefheart in a very
    | fine seive or straining cloth and rinse under cold water.  Try to rinse
    | as much of the blood out of the beefheart as possible.  This will help
    | make the beefheart less polluting to your aquarium water.  Squeeze the 
    | straining cloth and strain out the water.  Remove the shrimp from their
    | shells and chop them up as well.  Boil or microwave the spinach until
    | soft and chop up.  Place these ingredients in a container and sprinkle
    | in the gelatin powder (no need to dissolve it first).  The gelatin will
    | help to bind the various ingredients together.  Crush the vitamin
    | tablets into a fine powder and add this to the bowl.  Mix everything
    | thoroughly (easiest to just use your hands).  Place the mixture into
    | plastic bags, press flat and freeze.  Break off small portions and thaw
    | in the refrigerator section before feeding.   
    | 
    | Except for the shrimp, all the ingredients are very inexpensive.  It
    | takes a little work to prepare but it is cheaper than buying the
    | commercially available discus foods, most of which use some variation of
    | this recipe.  You can also experiment with different ingredients.  Some
    | breeders prefer to use turkey hearts over the beefheart.  You can also
    | include beef liver or scallops.  But including some vegetable matter
    | will be beneficial to the fish (I've heard of people using squash,
    | zucchini, algae flakes, pears!?, and Jack Wattley has even tried
    | bananas!!!).  Other ingredients to try are wheat germ, krill, white
    | fish and paprika.  Use different additives each time you make a batch
    | of food for variety.
    | 
    | One note of caution:  Although this is an excellent diet for growing
    | discus, I've found that feeding beefheart seems to result in higher 
    | amounts of ammonia, dissolved wastes, etc.  So either feed sparingly,
    | or (if you're feeding alot for maximum growth rate) make very frequent
    | and large water changes to prevent the buildup of nitrates and other
    | dissolved compounds.
    | 
    | If you try the recipe, let me know how it turns out.
    | 
    | Enjoy! ...uh, to your fish that is!  :-)
    | 
    | -Edmond.
    | 
    | ======================================================================
    | 			edwong-at-lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
    | ======================================================================

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Beefheart?

by mattk-at-summit.novell.com (Kaufman M.E.)
Date: 19 Nov 1994
Newsgroup: rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria,alt.aquaria

Keith Brummett (wkb-at-magnum.cb.att.com) wrote:

:     > In article <39rpl7$qg6-at-gold.interlog.com>, richard-at-interlog.com
:     > (Richard Sexton) says:
:     >> ...
:     >> Charlie Drew in Burlington makes a formula with pureed heart, 
:     >> dog vitamins and geletin to binf the mess together. I'ts pretty
:     >> messy stuff - I can't reccommend running it through a blender.

and
:     This is an old repost that may help:
:     | From: edwong-at-lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
:     | Subject: Re: Recipe for beefheart mix for discus


Beefheart has been a subject of disagreement in many aquaristic
circles. I believe it was the old-time discus breeders that first used
it since it promoted good growth in Discus. I've also heard from discus
keepers that they'd *never* use it because apparently the hormones
that are fed to cattle to make them grow tend  to get deposited in the
internal organs, such as the heart and feeding beefheart to your fish
you're feeding the hormones as well, leading to deformed offspring
or sterile fish. This is also true of 'trout chow' - don't use it.

For killies some do very well on beefheart, especially the larger
Fundulopanchax and (in my experience) a lot of the smaller killies have
trouble digesting it, passing most of it through undigested.

I personally believe in making paste food for you fish - it's tremendously
cheaper than any prepared food you buy. Heck, your averarge petshop
price for a can of flaked food is more expensive than caviar!
But, the main ingredients in my food mix are fish filets and shrimp,
with the addition of spirulina and vitamins. The fish seem to have
no problems with it, they (the killies) lay lots of eggs, grow fast, etc.,
no dramatic pollution problems.

So, keep an open mind. You may do well with beefheart, I wouldn't use it.

Also, be careful with what you feed to marine fish. Keith Brummett's
posting included spinach in the food mix I thought I'd heard you never
feed spinach to marine fish.


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