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  1. Axelrod's Atlas
    by oleg/netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) (Fri, 31 Dec 1993)
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  5. in defense of A.Theil...
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Axelrod's Atlas

by oleg/netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1993
Newsgroup: alt.aquaria,rec.aquaria

In article <CIvDL1.JuF-at-news.cis.umn.edu> hougen-at-femto.cs.umn.edu (Dean Hougen) writes:
>This is what bugs me about Axelrod's books in
>general.  Every book has errors.  I just see no evidence that Axelrod
>even tries to get it right.

What reason is there to believe that Axelrod does more than just put his
name on the book?  TFH has grown into a substantial publishing enterprise
and between managing his little pet literature empire and travelling all
over the world, when does Dr. Herb find the time to write?

If there is anyone to blame, its TFH editors.  For no particularly good
reason they do bizarre things.  Scheel's work on the Old World Rivulins
(Nothobranchius, Aphyosemion, Aplocheilus and the immediately related
genera) was published as "Atlas of Killifish of the Old World".  Never
mind the absence of the Cyprinodontinae (genera Aphanius, Valencia) and
Procatopodinae (Aplocheilichtys, Procatopus, Lamprichtys, etc.).  They
tacked in a sheet or two of photos of lampeyes and voila!  It's now
*killifish* of the Old World, despite skipping a huge number of notable
European, Asian and African species.  Scheel is dead so he can't complain.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path

From: lavonius-at-plootu.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Date: 2 Jan 94 06:06:23 GMT

Axelrod's Atlas

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In article <2fvs92$o65-at-xmission.xmission.com> mgm-at-xmission.xmission.com (michael moncur) writes:

      As someone who has not yet bought Axelrod's Atlas, here's the 64
   million dollar question:  What are the better books?  Do they exist,
   or are we waiting for someone to write one?  the Atlas is the most

Baensch & Riehl's Aquarium Atlas (three volumes in German, dunno how many
have been translated in addition to vol 1).  Good pictures, lots of text,
breeding information.

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From: jerry-at-shell.portal.com (JERRY T CULLINGFORD)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:39:04 GMT

Axelrod's Atlas

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In article <2fvs92$o65-at-xmission.xmission.com>,
michael moncur <mgm-at-xmission.xmission.com> wrote:
>hougen-at-femto.cs.umn.edu (Dean Hougen) writes:
>
>   As someone who has not yet bought Axelrod's Atlas, here's the 64
>million dollar question:  What are the better books?  Do they exist,
>or are we waiting for someone to write one?  the Atlas is the most
>comprehensive one I've seen...  any suggestions would be greatly
>appreciated.

Well, I went for the Baensch Aquarium Atlas - two volumes, covers
plants and non-marine fish. What basically made me go for this
instead of the Axelrod Atlas is the extra information. Baensch has
brief paragraphs on habitat, first intrroduction, sexing, social
behaviour, maintenance,breeding, food, special notes, as well as
the usual size/ aquarium size/temperature range, region and 
difficulty level, while axelrod (at least the mini version) just
seems to have photos and minimal - one row of icons - info.
Axelrod may cover more fish, but I didn't feel there was enough
information to be useful. Your mileage may vary :-) and I don't
know enough to comment on the relative accuracy, but the baensch
books are well worth looking at :-).

From: dieter-at-informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Dieter Kreuer)
Date: 5 Jan 1994 08:34:42 GMT

Axelrod's Atlas

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In article <CJ4697.1oE-at-unix.portal.com>, jerry-at-shell.portal.com (JERRY T
CULLINGFORD) wrote:

> Well, I went for the Baensch Aquarium Atlas - two volumes, covers
> plants and non-marine fish.

Actually, at least here in Germany, there is a third volume (on
fish one hardly ever encounters in a store, like some European
native fish) and another one about marine fish.

Some criticism: though there is a large part about water
quality and how to maintain a tank, water chemistry and equipment 
could be dealt with in more detail (there isn't even a table
giving the relation of pH and KH for the non-balanced case).

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From: cb_everett-at-ccmail.pnl.gov (cb_everett)
Date: 18 Feb 1994 01:23:07 GMT

in defense of A.Theil...

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I know this is one hugh chunk of flame bait but I felt that something
needed to be said.

General sentiment on the net is that Albert Theil is both a bumbling
idiot and a thief.  I argue that A. Theil has done more for the hobby of 
reefkeeping than he is given credit for and it is solely because of 
Theil that our hobby is where it is today.  I will discuss why this is true, 
but first, I will try to refute some of the common complaints against Theil 
I have seen on the net.

Complaint #1 - A.Theil's ideas supplied in his books are old-fashioned
               and just plain dumb.

    Admittedly A. Theil's books did not support the Berlin method.    
    They advocated the use of Wet-dry filters and Ozonizers which      
    today we know are better replaced with oversized protein skimmers.     
    However, one needs to take into account the timeframe that 
    A.Theil's books were written.  The fact is that these books were 
    written in the 1987-1988 time frame.  Reefkeeping was in its 
    infancy at that time.  Blaming Theil for not knowing 7 years ago 
    what we know today is senseless.  It would be equally productive 
    to say that the Wright brothers were morons for not building a 
    747.  In addition, articles Theil has written recently indicate 
    that he has accepted the Berlin methodology just as well as we all 
    have.  Therefore, Theil's writings seven years ago do not 
    necessarily condemn him as old fashioned.

Complaint #2 - A. Theil's books are too commercially oriented.

    Again, one needs to take into account the time frame that Theil's
    books were written.  In the late eighties, reef equipment was not
    something you went down to your local pet store and purchased.  
    Theil needed to convey to his readers that this stuff actually
    existed and could be purchased.  Theil's early offerings of reef 
    equipment, much of which was imported, created a new market that 
    previously had not existed and opened the doors for American 
    manufacturers to start producing the same equipment at lower 
    prices.  This is hardly something we should begrudge Theil for.

Complaint #3 - A. Theil advocates way too much expensive unnecessary
               equipment.

    Theil's books do describe a vast array of equipment much of which 
    is expensive and probably not necessary for a well running reef.  
    He does, however, always preface the introduction of such 
    equipment with an explanation that it is purely optional and may 
    only be needed to solve a specific problem, remove a manual 
    process, or keep some parameter more stable.  Theil presents all 
    options and then leaves it to the reader to decide what is 
    necessary for his or her situation.  Would we really want to be 
    treated any other way?  The problem here may be with the attitude 
    of reefkeepers on the net.  There seems to be a "if its expensive, 
    its bad" mentality on the net.  I have even seen someone argue 
    that his corals benefit from the 85+ degree temperature in his 
    tank during the summer and it would therefore be a 'huge' mistake 
    to drop $500 on a chiller.  You draw your own conclusions.

Complaint #4 - A. Theil won't tell me the exact composition of his
               various additives.

    Theil does not divulge the exact composition of his additives.  
    Could it possibly be that he doesn't want to compete with the 
    chemical supply houses?  Restaurants don't give out recipes, 
    clothing stores don't give out patterns, and Theil doesn't divulge 
    the composition of his products.  Its called economics.  Research 
    costs money which has to be recouped in product revenues.  I don't 
    think we should blame Theil for not giving away his research but 
    instead trying to capitalize on it.  There is so little solid 
    research being done in our hobby, the last thing we want to do is 
    steal from the few people that are doing it and run them out of 
    business.  If you think that you can do better research and 
    produce higher quality products at a lower cost (Craig, this means 
    you) then by all means, drop out of grad school, call your lawyer,     
    form a corporation, and start showering us consumers with the    
    fruits of your labor.

Complaint #5 - A. Theil advocates MH over actinic.

    This one boils down to religious faith.  I personally think  
    actinic lit reefs look best when surrounded by black velvet Jimi 
    Hendrix and Led Zeppelin posters, but again, that's just my 
    personal opinion.

These complaints put aside, lets take a look at some of the things Theil 
has given us:
        - Only set of books easily available fully describing the process of 
          setting up a reef tank (I looked for Julian's book but couldn't find it ;-} ).
        - Paved the way for the large assortment of American made reef
          products that we now have available.
        - Convinced his readers that reeftanks should have:
                - stable water quality parameters
                - bare bottoms
                - high redox values, temperatures < 78 degrees
                - low nitrate and phosphate levels
                - good circulation around the reef
                - strong lighting
                - drilled tanks 
                - check-valves for safety

Before jumping on the "Theil is a jerk" bandwagon, think about what 
he's done for our hobby and the benefits you and your reefcritters receive 
everyday because of the work Theil has done.

That's my .02.  Now where are those flame retardant pajamas when 
you need them.

Christopher Everett


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