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  1. [Plant] Looking for Glossostigma
    by Neil.Frank-at-launchpad.unc.edu (Neil Frank) (12 Feb 1995)
  2. [Plant] Looking for Glossostigma
    by niels-at-lofgren.demon.co.uk ("Niels M. Sampath") (Tue, 14 Feb 1995)
  3. [Plant] Looking for Glossostigma
    by jkuhn <jkuhn-at-hooked.net> (17 Feb 1995)
  4. Re Glossostigma
    by Bruce Hansen <bhansen-at-oznet02.ozemail.com.au> (Sat, 9 Mar 1996)
  5. Aquatic Plants Digest V2 #304
    by "K & A, P.A." <kapa-at-netrunner.net> (Wed, 06 Nov 1996)
  6. Glossostigma
    by Len Trigg <trigg-at-lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz> (Thu, 07 Nov 1996)
  7. Kudos to Karen, Glossostigma, etc.
    by amc2-at-ix.netcom.com (Fri, 8 Nov 1996)
  8. Glossostigma and T-8's
    by Erik Olson (e-mail) (Tue, 15 Apr 1997)
  9. glossostigma
    by Art Giacosa <art_giacosa-at-kleinfeld.com> (Tue, 15 Apr 1997)
  10. Glossostigma
    by Luca Specchio <luckyluca/mclink.it> (Tue, 14 Jul 1998)
  11. Glossostigma:
    by Roxanne Bittman <RBITTMAN/hq.dfg.ca.gov> (Tue, 14 Jul 1998)
  12. Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #604
    by Hoa Nguyen <nguyenh/nosc.mil> (Mon, 26 Oct 1998)
  13. Glossostigma
    by Roxanne Bittman <RBITTMAN/hq.dfg.ca.gov> (Mon, 09 Nov 1998)
  14. Glossostigma meltdown
    by =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= ANDRE <steaqua/dds.nl> (Thu, 15 Jul 1999)
  15. Glosso and Riccia
    by "Dixon, Steven T. (Exchange)" <stdixon/ben.bechtel.com> (Wed, 29 Sep 1999)
  16. RE:Eustralis
    by "Thomas Barr" <tcbiii/earthlink.net> (Tue, 18 Jul 2000)
  17. More on Gloss
    by "Thomas Barr" <tcbiii/earthlink.net> (Tue, 18 Jul 2000)
  18. RE: Glossostigma problem...
    by "Raymond Wong" <myapisto/hotmail.com> (Thu, 27 Jul 2000)
  19. Glosso flowers & seeking Marsilea
    by "Kevin Zippel" <kczippel/worldnet.att.net> (Sat, 23 Sep 2000)

Glossostigma elantoides

Photo by John Clayton

[Plant] Looking for Glossostigma

by Neil.Frank-at-launchpad.unc.edu (Neil Frank)
Date: 12 Feb 1995
Newsgroup: rec.aquaria

In article <3hjfl9$lc3-at-news.u.washington.edu>,
Erik Olson (e-mail) wrote:
>Still reeling from the impressions of _Nature Aquarium World_, even though
>I've had it for a month already, I'm wondering where one might get a hold
>of some of the unusual (for a Seattleite) plants, specifically
>Glossostigma.  It's the one that has two ovate leaves & sends out runners
>like grass, and is used as a small ground-covering carpet plant.
>
>The only clue I have about this one is that it's listed in Rataj as "too
>small to cultivate".  But I'd like to try a 10-gallon tiny garden for
>a change & this plant looks like just the ticket.  Any ideas?
>

I  have not seen the plant listed yet in the U.S.  It is available
from DENNERLE in Germany (p. 94 of their plant catalog),
 so I suspect that it is also available from the other big hydroponic
plant company - Tropica of Denmark.  If so,
it may be available from the US Tropica sister company in Cailfornia called 
Horizon Growers - they regularly advertise in TFH (I have heard that Axelrod's
daughter is affiliated).  I have requested several times, but have not
received their plant list.

In addition to being a demanding plant which requires a lot of light, it
supposedly does not ship well.  This is what Amano told me.  If I
realized that it was not readily available here, I would have tried to
bring some back.

I will be seeing Mike Trzonkowski in a few weeks, I will ask him what he
knows.

He will be speaking at the Carolina Aquarium Workshop XI, Raleigh NC, weekend
of March 3-5.  Other speakers are Carl Ferraris (catfish), Mike Paletta 
(corals and reef tanks), Peter Thode (Discus).  

Neil


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From rec.aquaria Mon Feb 13 22:25:28 1995

[Plant] Looking for Glossostigma

by niels-at-lofgren.demon.co.uk ("Niels M. Sampath")
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995

FWIW I have been told by Tropica Denmark  that they do have
Glossostigma.
-- 
Niels Sampath

Also available at Compuserve: 100020.2050-at-Compuserve.com

From rec.aquaria Fri Feb 17 14:02:45 1995

[Plant] Looking for Glossostigma

by jkuhn <jkuhn-at-hooked.net>
Date: 17 Feb 1995
Newsgroup: rec.aquaria

(e-mail) (Erik Olson) wrote:
>
> Still reeling from the impressions of _Nature Aquarium World_, even though
> I've had it for a month already, I'm wondering where one might get a hold
> of some of the unusual (for a Seattleite) plants, specifically
> Glossostigma.  It's the one that has two ovate leaves & sends out runners
> like grass, and is used as a small ground-covering carpet plant.
> 
> The only clue I have about this one is that it's listed in Rataj as "too
> small to cultivate".  But I'd like to try a 10-gallon tiny garden for
> a change & this plant looks like just the ticket.  Any ideas?
> 
>   - Erik
> 
> ---
> Erik Olson					(e-mail)
> yes, my computer is still dead. :(


Hi guys!  So far I've been unable to coerce any of my suppliers into
finding Glossostigma.  I also had a conversation with Mike T. awhile
back, and it is definately NOT available in the US and probably wont
be for a awhile.  

1) Australia allows very little of its native plant stocks to be
   collected and exported, so it would be difficult to obtain
   rootstock

2) It is available in Europe, but is probably not being imported
   there, just propagated over and over.  The European companies
   mentioned - Dernelle and Tropica - both grow hydroponically

3) US import laws wont allow anything grown in soil to come in, and
   we cant import from Dernelle or Tropica because of those same laws.

Thus it will probably be awhile before anything comes in - it will
take Australia allowing exports of it, I guess.

Till then =)

Jeremy Kuhn
Bay Area Aquarium Plant Co.


Re Glossostigma

by Bruce Hansen <bhansen-at-oznet02.ozemail.com.au>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996

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Doug Valverde's proposed set up to grow Glossostigma sounds O.K. - in my =
experience it likes a reasonably rich substrate of soil covered with =
some fine sand ( I grow it in 2" plastic trays) , water neutral to =
slightly alkaline, suspend the tray a half inch under the surface, keep =
the light intensity high ( or even grow it outside in summer) . In =
Australia it is more common in the southern half of the country so any =
temperature below 85F and above 50F should be O.K. I personally don"t =
use CO2 but a friend who does finds that under aquarium conditions it =
improves vigour remarkably.
Hope this helps.
Bruce Hansen.

Aquatic Plants Digest V2 #304

by "K & A, P.A." <kapa-at-netrunner.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996

Hi all,

> A poster had complained of dying Glossostigma, dying in the space of a few
> weeks.  I had a similar experience, in that it didnt root well initially,
> often stems rotting and breaking, and allowing the leaves and intact stem
> parts to float.  Finally, after more than a month of replanting the
> fragments, the plants are starting to grow and propagate.  I am not getting
> the horizontal growth, but that is expected as I have hard water.
> 
> Alan Van Nevel
> Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division
> alan-at-peewee.chinalake.navy.mil

> Wonderlites (colour adjusted mercury vapour)). The plant was not growing in
> mats, but trather like a stem plant - similar to a strand of E. tennellus 
that
> is rooted at only one end.
> The glossostigma was never growing strongly, although it did flower after it
> broke the surface. Now, in its new home, with lots of light, lots of 
nutrients
> both in the substrate and in the water, it is not growing at all. If anything
> it is slowly dieing. I conclude from this that it prefers lower light levels,
> perhaps a pH below 7.0, and good water movement.
> 
> Mike

Glossostigma is a finicky plant.  First you must start with a good,
healthy plant.  I got mine from Darin Gasperson and is doing great.

Second, you must provide very soft water 2-3dh, proper fertilization
(both in the water column and in the substrate), and plenty of intense
light.  Light is most important as glossostigma is a stem plant that
will grow upwards if not provided with strong direct light.  The pH
should be in the mid to high 6.

Sources of this information: Aqua Design Amano, Claus Christensen and my
experience.

Hope it helps!

Art Giacosa
Miami, Florida


Glossostigma

by Len Trigg <trigg-at-lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996

> From: Michael Eckardt <mike-at-odg.com>
> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:47:50 EST
> Subject: Glossostigma
> 
> >Has anyone had good luck propogating Glossostigma?
> 
> Wonderlites (colour adjusted mercury vapour)). The plant was not growing in
> mats, but trather like a stem plant - similar to a strand of E. tennellus 
that

It does go more like a stem plant when the lighting is low.  In our
tanks once it wanders out of the foreground and amongst tall plants
at the rear it begins to grow upward (I'm sure I'd do the same thing
if I were a plant too :-)).  It also tends to do this in the
foreground when the mat is too thick.

> it is slowly dieing. I conclude from this that it prefers lower light levels,
> perhaps a pH below 7.0, and good water movement. 

It does well at high light levels (and even handles high
temperatures, which surprised me). We have grown it successfully in
our discus tank - 160W over a 200l tank, temperature ~28C. Perhaps it
is more the pH - both of our tanks with it are in the mid to high
6's.

Good to hear it's available in the US now.

Cheers,
    Len.

Kudos to Karen, Glossostigma, etc.

by amc2-at-ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996

Regarding Glossostigma, it too is grown emersed commercially and it takes
time to convert to submerse.  If most of the stems come off of the
"potted" purchase, let them float for a while until you see new growth.
Then plant the stems where they won't be disturbed -- in good light.
Be patient; and if you are lucky and give good care, it will carpet the
aquarium in the brighter areas. Neil Frank gave me some stems and I now
have a carpet, so it can work that way.

Good luck!

Merrill

Glossostigma and T-8's

by Erik Olson (e-mail)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997

[complaint deleted]
> ...  He also sells glossostigma - but 
> don't bother, it's very puny, and I had to finally pitch it.

I'm noticing that Glossostigma appears to be widely available locally now,
sold in pots as if it's a stem plant, so at least some growers are
producing it in bulk.  And all the specimens have puny leaves, as far as I
can tell. 

I bought a bunch last year & wanted to swap experiences with growing it... 

First, I've had zero luck keeping it alive in any tank other than my
CO2+high light setup.  Eventually it withers away from the bottom up. 

When I *did* get it to grow, it was by "training" the plant into the
ground (ie, partly covering the runners in sand).  Growth of the runners
progresses slowly, first with "puny" growth just as on the original plant,
and eventually larger (5mm?) leaves are produced.  I am not sure, but I
have a suspicion that too much light actually causes the puny growth,
because the really good leaves have been produced in runners growing UNDER
other plants.

One other problem I had with this plant was that the Krib (my fish, not my
web site) absolutely loves to attack it.  I ended up keeping an inverted
strawberry basket over the patch to keep him out of it.

Anyone else growing glossostigma succesfully?

    - Erik

---
Erik D. Olson                                            amazingly, at home

glossostigma

by Art Giacosa <art_giacosa-at-kleinfeld.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997

Hi Erik!

Glossostigma is actually a stem plant which will tend to grow upwards if
it doesn't have adequate light.  I have grown it very sucessfully with
yeast CO2, 3 watts/gal, and PMDD.  After a slow start, the plant spreads
out quickly.

I too have noticed that in high light areas the leaves tend to be small.
This is o.k. however, if you get a nice lawn effect.

I will mention (somewhat timidly) that in my experience this plant has
shown some allelophathic tendency.  ALL plants have shrunk back after
having come into contact with the glosso lawn.  Furthermore, a strange
thing happend when Ludwigia repens decided to shoot to the surface and
move over the glosso patch (blocking the light) and begin to throw roots
down to the substrate.  The glosso shot up several stems to touch the L.
repens.  Two days later the L. repens had moved away and rooted away from
the glosso patch.

No flames please.  Just recounting what was observed.  There may be many
explanations I suppose.

All the best.

Art Giacosa 


Glossostigma

by Luca Specchio <luckyluca/mclink.it>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998

>From: "Dixon, Steven T. (Exchange)" <stdixon-at-ben.bechtel.com>
>Subject: Glossostigma
>
>I'm having fun working on growing out a patch of Glossostigma
>elatinoides for the first time.  (My LFS finally started carrying the
>stuff.)  It is growing well in soft water under bright light (110 watts
>of 6700K compact fluorescent lighting over a 40 gal. regular tank with
>Dupla laterite and a hand full of peat granules in the substrate.
>Tropica Mastergrow is added weekly with water changes).   It seems to be
>a stem plant with most new growth coming in vertical, despite the bright
>light. 
Hi Steven,

my Glosso is layind down ... so down that sometimes it's under the gravel
!!! My impression is that light is important but NOT SO important. The real
factor is the substrate... I can't explain scientifically cuz it's only a
feeling but Glosso needs a very much fertilized substrate... and it needs a
way to make this fertilizer available to the upper part of the gravel aka
heating coil, UGF or heating bases.
Anyway my tanks have plenty of light too. About 1.5W/l .

I hope this can help :-)

Sincerely,
Luca Specchio
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:50:43 +0200
From: Luca Specchio <luckyluca-at-mclink.it>
Subject: Re: Re: chelated iron

At 15.48 13/07/98 -0400, you wrote: 

>
> > >1) The FeEDTA or any other chelated micronutrients (such as Zn, Cu, Mn
> <br>
> > >etc.) can be adsorbed by plants withOUT waiting that link between EDTA
and
> <br>
> > >Fe is broken? I suppose they can.
> <br>
> <br>
> Someone once told me that the process involved when plant roots get
nutrients
>
> <br>
> from substrate binding sites is called adsorption (with a "d"). As I
> remember, 
> <br>
> the root trades an ion (or proton?) that it has for a nutirient ion like
> NH4++.
> <br>
> <br>
> Do plants get chelated ions the same way?  Trade something for the the Fe++
> ion 
> <br>
> in the chelator, for example?


Well... I don't really know... all what I Know id that in TOA Horst wrote that
plants can uptake chelated iron and break the link inside the leaves cells.
But
nothing is told about the effective rate of this  uptake and, above all, which
is the differential rate between the adsorption of chelated iron compared with
ferrous iron.


Glossostigma:

by Roxanne Bittman <RBITTMAN/hq.dfg.ca.gov>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998

Glossostigma:

Steve wrote:  It seems to be
a stem plant with most new growth coming in vertical, despite the bright
light.  The stem nodes do have fine root hairs, but it is not clear to
me how to get the plant to 'lay down.'  So far, the plant has not
produced the horizontal runners I was expecting.  

RB:  I've been growing this one for a little while and you can just push the stems
down into the gravel.  They will then start making horizontal stems or runners.  Don't
trim yet.

SD:  In volume 33 of the Aqua Journal there is a question and answer about
growing glosso that suggests one might trim off the vertical growth.
Amano states that an experienced aquariast might trim glosso leaves that
come in on top of other glosso leaves.  Is this the technique?  How have
you persuaded your glosso to grow horizontally?

RB:  This technique is still a bit mysterious to me, despite the apparently clear
directions.  Indeed, this plant starts to grow all over itself in a short period of time.  It
builds up quite the "thatch" situation with only the topmost leaves looking really good.  
I let mine get out of hand (to about 3in thick) the first time and then tried trimming. 
However, once trimmed, there were only leafless stems left and I wasn't willing to live
with that, though perhaps these would have produced new, horiz. runners.  Instead, I
then ended up pulling up most of it and replanting - clearly, not a low-maintenance
plant!

It has since reestablished a nice carpet.   I am feeding LESS than before (ie. only
Tropica MG at water changes - no more Jobes for Glosso!) to try to hold back the
growth.  When it starts the overlapping again, I will start pulling off the top plants
earlier this time so as to prevent growth from getting too thick.  Mr. Amanos rep in the
U.S., Art G., helped me with this.
Hope it helps.

Roxanne Bittman

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:50:35 -0700
From: Hoa Nguyen <nguyenh-at-nosc.mil>
Subject: Re: New tank - physical problems

>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:00:18 -0700
>From: PSE <pse1-at-ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: New tank - physical problems

>I've just acquired a new 125g tank and stand and have begun to fill it.
>In the process I have noticed that there is a slight gap (the thickness
>of a quarter) between the tank and the stand along most of the length of
>the tank on both sides, and that the tank is only resting hard on the
>stand at each end for perhaps three inches.  I have put some 1/4" heavy

Is it an acryllic tank?  If so, that's normal.  I had the gap for my tank
also.  I did not know this when I first had it, so I made a supporting

Aquatic Plants Digest V3 #604

by Hoa Nguyen <nguyenh/nosc.mil>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998

>Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:00:38 -0600
>From: "Beard, Kelly" <KBeard@comdata.com>
>Subject: Glossostigma Elantoinoides again
>
>Thanks to all who replied about this plant.  A couple of folks mentioned
>that the plant requires strong light.  I assume that 220 watts over a 75
>gallon will be sufficient.

Just to mess you up, I grow Glossostigma elantoinoides just fine in a 75
gallon tank with 120W of light.  One thing they definitely need is fine
gravel.  I created a small area in the tank with fine gravel, surrounded
by coarser gravel, and planted the Glossostigma at the border of the fine
gravel area.  It grew and covered the fine-gravel area completely, but 
would not penetrate the coarser gravel.

Hoa


Glossostigma

by Roxanne Bittman <RBITTMAN/hq.dfg.ca.gov>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998

I have been away, and read with interest the thread on
growing Glossostigma.
I love this plant since it provides much-needed
perception of depth in my rather narrow (12" wide)
tank.

It grows well in my tank which has the following
features:

size:  40gal.

substrate:  3mm gravel with Dupla laterite in bottom
1/3.  Also, tank has been up for 1y 4mo, so substrate
is pretty mulm-ified.

CO2:  very important; this plant needs lots. 
Apparently, sometimes Amano will start the plants,
including Glosso. in a tank and add no fish at first so
that he can pump in much more CO2 than the fish
could stand.  This gets the Glosso. going, after which
the CO2 level is reduced and the fish added.
My tank has a pH of 6.6 and a KH of 2-3, so whatever
the CO2 is on the chart is what it is (about 35ppm??).

Water quality:  soft; I use reconstituted R/O water; I
add a small amount (1/2 tsp. to 10gal water change)
of Kent's R/O Right once/week.  Usually, KH=2,
GH=3. pH=6.6.

When I first started growing this plant, I fertilized the
substrate with Jobes sticks; what a mistake.  It grows
like a weed and started piling up on itself, smothering
the stuff below.  I no longer add substrate fertilizer to
the Glossostigma part of the tank.  Just Tropica MG to
the water w/water changes.  It still grows very fast,
and every few months I pull it all out and replant to
avoid the "piling up" problem.

Hope this helps.

Roxanne Bittman

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Glossostigma meltdown

by =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= ANDRE <steaqua/dds.nl>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999

Mark,

Yesterday night I "answered" rather late to your question and I forgot to give
important details.

Concerning the little plastic greenhouse, it has to be wet but also warm and well-lit
in it.
You can put it (during the winter) on the hood of a little aquarium.
Indeed, under wet but COLD conditions everything will rot soon.

Glossostigma elatinoides grows very well with only 2-3 cm of water (half-emersed) in
green house.
(You can easily obtain flowers that way).
I thing it is a good way to acclimate before planting in aquarium.

Stéphane ANDRE
The Netherlands


Glosso and Riccia

by "Dixon, Steven T. (Exchange)" <stdixon/ben.bechtel.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999

Folks are chatting about how much light it takes to grow glossostigma
and riccia:  >>> I am pretty sure that your 2.1 w/gallon isn't enough
for glosso and probably not enough for the Riccia to do well, especially
if you are trying to grow it at the bottom of the tank.
	> I have a 125 gallon planted aquarium.  At the moment I have
260 watts of 
	> light.  I am in the process of getting Riccia Flutans and
Glossostigmata
	and > wondering if this seems to be enough light.>>>

I have a 125 gallon tank (which is 24" high) with 320 watts of lighting
which has grown both glosso and riccia like gang busters.  I'm guessing
that I have even less light that the 125 gallon tank mentioned above
because 110 watts of the 320 watt total is on only a couple of hours per
day.  So I've really only got 210 watts plus some fraction for the extra
110 watt fixture.  

I'm also guessing that the vertical glosso growth is relatively new
growth.  At least my glosso grew in vertically before it laid down and
covered the footprint horizontally.  It takes a bit of patience or you
can keep jamming it down in the gravel to try to force it to grow
horizontally.  Both methods have worked fairly well for me.  

The only other point I would make is that glosso seems to prefer fairly
soft and perhaps also slightly acid water.  At least these are the
conditions under which it has done well for me.

Regards, Steve Dixon in San Francisco


RE:Eustralis

by "Thomas Barr" <tcbiii/earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000

>
>
>Dear Hobbyists,
>
> I can maintain one inch thick glossostigma carpet for almost three
>months.Initially they spread like weed and later the show the signs of
>stunted growth.Now i can observe that this plant stopped growing
>completely even though the same same tank parameters are maintained.pHis
>6.6, General Hardness 5dGH, Carbonate hardness 3KH.In my other tanks
>also the same pattern of growth is exhibited by this plant.I am not
>using any substrate fertilizer.This plant grows like weed in all my
>tanks for a period of 2-3 months in my newly set up tanks followed by
>steep decline in the growth rate. I would like to hear from very
>experienced hobbyists.

Gloss, being such a fast growing weed, eats lots of "food". As it's mass
increases, so does it's nutritional  requirements. Often this exceeds the
aquarist willingness to keep up with it. At higher lighting values/short
tanks etc you will find it difficult many times. At lower lighting value you
may find things a bit more manageable. It seems to like N quite a bit(yellow
color- holes etc) and I feel it's not after Fe/Mg/Ca too much. It's not to
picky about substrates. A large amount of CO2 is often used up by this plant
when growing fast. Pruning and removing excess growth is difficult for most
folks without damaging the lawn. It can be a very high maintenance
foreground plant unless you use lower lighting values or limit it in other
ways. You can also just use a smaller amount of Gloss and this won't happen
near as much. Lowering the CO2 has proved effective once the lawn is grown
but this takes some skill and a good eye so the work is not "over" even
then. I like hairgrass the best myself.
FWIW,
Regards, 
Tom Barr  


More on Gloss

by "Thomas Barr" <tcbiii/earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000

>
>>  I can maintain one inch thick glossostigma carpet for almost three
>> months.Initially they spread like weed and later the show the signs of
>> stunted growth.Now i can observe that this plant stopped growing
>> completely even though the same same tank parameters are maintained.pHis
>> 6.6, General Hardness 5dGH, Carbonate hardness 3KH.In my other tanks
>> also the same pattern of growth is exhibited by this plant.
>
Ooo! Forgot something else. You know that trowel looking thing Amano uses
supposedly for leveling gravel? Using it to "cut" pieces of "Gloss sod" out
can help lots to give the new growth room to run without pulling up the
existing-remaining lawn. This is what I do generally with Gloss and Hair
grass as a maintenance technique. I hate trying to replant all those little
pieces which often happens if you pull it up by hand etc. 
You can also pick and snip at the Gloss keeping it thinner and this building
up will not happen as much but it takes lots of work. Timing is everything
also on those photo's of his BTW.
After I cut a piece of sod it takes about 3-6 weeks to fill back in nicely
sometimes less. I also rotate the area covered by chopping a different
piece/area of sod out each time I cut it.

In this manner you always have a fresh newly grown lawn. But we are lazy<g>.
All that gardening and work can wear you down<g>.
Another idea is to let the gloss ramp up on other plants and this lets you
trim it easily as it gets going.

That dense carpet and some of the other Photo's of Amano's are often dark or
too dark to see what's in the shadows. I wonder but if you put enough time
and pruning into it for a photo it can be done. It's hard to do the thick
carpet in his book one. Doing that with hairgrass would be much easier IMO! 
FWIW, 
Regards, 
Tom Barr


RE: Glossostigma problem...

by "Raymond Wong" <myapisto/hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000

acutally thanks! that's a very good idea.. why didn't i think about it.. i 
guess i just 'pulled' them out instead of cutting them like I do with my 
other plants...
thanks
very much!

Raymond
http://welcome.to/myapisto



>From: "Rohan Taylor" <rohan.t@telstra.com>
>To: "Aquatic-Plants Digest" <Aquatic-Plants@actwin.com>
>CC: <myapisto@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: Glossostigma problem...
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:52:56 +1000
>
>Raymond,
>
>Quickest solution is to simply use a pair of scissors and "shear" or mow 
>the
>Glossostigma to the level you want.  Collect the clippings from the water
>surface with your net. You will have a nice Glossostigma lawn again :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Rohan
>Melbourne, Australia
><< winmail.dat >>


Glosso flowers & seeking Marsilea

by "Kevin Zippel" <kczippel/worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000

WOOHOO!  My Glossostigma is flowering!  I grow it emersed in floating Riccia
mats under VERY bright lights, 2-3 inches below a 120 incandescent plant
bulb @ just over 6 watts per gallon.  Beautiful little white flowers, 5
petals, the whole thing smaller than a match head.  Sorry, my digital camera
doesn't have the resolution to post it.

Anyway, I am still looking for Marsilea, and maybe some DWARF hairgrass.  My
list of plants I'm working with (many of which I could trim for trade) is at
http://home.att.net/~kczippel/aquaplants.html
Cheers, Kevin


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