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Apistogramma atahualpa (aka sp. "Sunset")

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  1. A. sp. "Sunset"
    by Randy or Deb Carey <carey/spacestar.net> (Thu, 30 Oct 1997)
  2. RE: Introduction
    by Bill MacIndewar <wmac/reading.mec.edu> (Tue, 25 Nov 1997)
  3. Apisto. sp. Sunset
    by Jota Melgar <jsmelgar/compuserve.com> (Sat, 7 Feb 1998)
  4. Red Apistos -Reply
    by Jota Melgar <jsmelgar/compuserve.com> (Fri, 6 Mar 1998)
  5. A. Sunset
    by Doug Brown <debrown/kodak.com> (Thu, 17 Sep 1998)
  6. A. Sunset
    by Frauley/Elson <fraulels/minet.ca> (Thu, 17 Sep 1998)
  7. Apistos
    by Frauley/Elson <fraulels/minet.ca> (Wed, 25 Nov 1998)
  8. A. norberti "Sunset" (was Apistos)
    by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Mon, 30 Nov 1998)
  9. A.atahualpa 'sunset' & Laetacara sp.?
    by "Tim Ellis" <timellis33/hotmail.com> (Sun, 11 Apr 1999)



male

female

digital photos by Doug Brown

A. sp. "Sunset"

by Randy or Deb Carey <carey/spacestar.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com



Mike Jacobs wrote:

> <snip>
> Also..........Dave has given me some photo's yesterday of the NEW, NEW
> NEW.....A. sp"Sunset".......they are BEAUTIFUL!!!  They are slides from
> Uve Romer.....I have to get them scanned.....YOU can't wait for these!
> Soon!
>

A friend and I purchased some wild-caught Apisto's through my importer contact.
They were labeled with a tentative "cf" name. When David Soares was here last
month, he informed me that he had already established that this species from that
dealer was the new "Sunset."  My friend has a spawning pair.  He's a Lake cichlid
guy, so (as far as I know) he's yet to have fry.

My fish apparently exhibited uncommon Apisto behavior.  The dealer said they were
aggressive. I put mine in a ten-gallon tank with a box filter, Java Fern, and
some pvc tubing.   I originally got 6, but very quickly they were "disappearing"
one-by-one.  In about four days I had only one female left.  I seldom cover my
Apisto tanks, and apparently they jumped out!  That's never happened to me before
with Apisto's.

My guess at the cause of this is either [1] their aggression chased each other
out, or [2] being wild caught, they spooked themselves into jumping.  I didn't
have the fish long enough to be able to recall their features, but I remember
that I thought they were a handsome fish with some rich colors.

David claimed (suggested) that this species is monogamous.  I'm not sure how
certain he was when he said it.

If/When  my friend spawns them, I'm expecting to be able to buy his adults and
try again.  Perhaps I can sell some fry for him (on my site and through this
list) if/when he gets some.

Usually I'm skeptical of new names attached to Apisto's, but David says his info
comes from Romer and that it will be included in Romer's '98 book.  It seems to
be a species which will be one of the more desirable.

--Randy


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RE: Introduction

by Bill MacIndewar <wmac/reading.mec.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997
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Ken,

	Thanks for your reply to my posting.  A. atahualpa is a recently
described species from Peru ( see Uwe Romer's article in the most recent
Buntbarsche Bulletin published by the ACA).  It was previously imported
as A. sp. "Sunset".
	I am hoping (dreaming) of the opportunity to someday collect
the fish in South America, but have not done so as of yet.  At this point,
I am relying on a wholesaler from my area (Massachusetts) to bring in
Apistos and other dwarfs.  I can provide you with his name, address,
phone number if you wish.

				Bill MacIndewar


Apisto. sp. Sunset

by Jota Melgar <jsmelgar/compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998
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Julio wrote:

> East of Iquitos... <

Sorry folks, it was too late when I wrote that. It is west of Iquitos. =


Steve wrote:

> I'd be interested in knowing locale data. <

3 52' 42.8" S (first number is supposed to be degrees)
73 24' 53.4" W

Julio


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Red Apistos -Reply

by Jota Melgar <jsmelgar/compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998
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Kathy wrote:

> I hear A sp sunset will be in the nijsenni complex and A sp. Rio Mamore=

possibly  in with trifasciata....really don't know on  > the later I have=

not had the experience to see this fish yet!   Anyone spawn either Rio
Mamore or sunset??

I would place the A. sp. sunset in the cacatuoides complex. Besides the
rounded caudal fin, it resembles A. cacatuoides in body shape, including
the pronounced dorsal fin lappets. The A. sp. Rio Mamore is definitely a
trifasciata complex fish. This species was not picky about water
parameters, breeding at pH 6.8 and 98 uS. =


Julio


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A. Sunset

by Doug Brown <debrown/kodak.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998
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I just discussed this with Dave Soares. This is one of the few (along with
A. elizabethae) that he has not been able to spawn so far. My trio (2
males) haven't either which is probably less interesting. Anyway, Uwe Romer
apparently has them spawning in "colonies" - a lot of fish in one tank -
and Dave mentioned that he thinks this might be the way to go with them.
Which really doesn't help us non-colony people much. I think the closest
relative is A. nijsseni? Is this right? Maybe you could try what works for
them.

My 2 cents.

>Hi yall
>
>I picked up a trio of these last night, anybody have any experience with
>these guy? I read what is on the Krib, and am hoping someone else has
>worked with these. Any suggestions?
>
>Tim

-Doug Brown
debrown-at-kodak.com



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A. Sunset

by Frauley/Elson <fraulels/minet.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com

Tim Ellis wrote:
> 
> Hi yall
> 
> I picked up a trio of these last night, anybody have any experience with
> these guy? I read what is on the Krib, and am hoping someone else has
> worked with these. Any suggestions?
> 
> Tim

My experience was they were extremely aggressive apistos. Mine killed
each other off(I started with at least 8 in a planted metre long tank).
Pretty, but nasty.
-Gary


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Apistos

by Frauley/Elson <fraulels/minet.ca>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com

Hi Mike,
Welcome to apisto-land. Now, the 'sunset'/atahualpa....  Beautiful, but
a tough beast to start with. In my experience, this is the most
aggressive apisto by a wide margin. They need big tanks. Think of them
as concentrated humilis. Don't be fooled by their size.
-Gary


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A. norberti "Sunset" (was Apistos)

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com



Jota Melgar wrote:

> Andy wrote:
>
> > in a possibly related issue a LFS got in a group of young A.
> >norberti "Sunset" today.  I had previously thought that A. Sunset was a
> >trifasciata like fish.
>
> A. norberti "Sunset", A. sp. "Sunset", and A. atahualpa are all the same
> species. When they were first discovered they were being exported as
> norberti "Sunset" and a few exporters still go by that name. I remember
> hearing that they were in the nijsseni complex of the cacatuoides group.
> I'd like to hear the reason for placing it in the nijsseni complex if
> anyone cares to explain.

Julio,

I think Uwe placed it in the nijsseni-subcomplex because it is so closely related
to A. norberti. A. norberti is commonly placed in the nijsseni-subcomplex because
it normally has a round caudal fin with a dark and light (not orange) rim along
the edge.  All members of the cacatuoides-subcomplex have banded lyreate tails.
Personally, I look at A. atahualpa & A. norberti as being bridge species
intermediate between the two subcomplexes, since they exhibit features
characteristic of both. Both A. atahualpa & A. norberti have abdominal stripes,
diagnostic of the cacatuoides-subcomplex. Both have the extended anterior dorsal
fin lappets found on all cacatuoides-subcomplex, but only one nijsseni-subcomplex
species (A. payaminonis). A. norberti has a unique tail pattern that combines
features of both sub-complexes - caudal bands (cacatuoides) and dark & light
rimmed edge (nijsseni). A. atahualpa is unique in its own way, too. It's the only
member of the cacatuoides-complex that has no pattern at all. Both species can
develop short lyre tails on exceptional specimens. This tail form is only seen in
cacatuoides-subcomplex species. A. payaminonis' is squared off not lyre tailed.

Mike Wise

>
>
> As for the aggressiveness of A. atahualpa, I have yet to see any out of the
> ordinary. Then again, I haven't seen A. panduro behave as aggressively as
> some of you have.
>
> Julio
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A.atahualpa 'sunset' & Laetacara sp.?

by "Tim Ellis" <timellis33/hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999
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David,

I just pulled about 10 fry from my pair. These guys are truely 
beautiful in brood color, but have been a real challenge. I have had 
them spawn many times but, no survivors. I had them in a 20 long for 
a while with spawning being a regular activity but no fry. I 
attribute this to tank size mostly. When placed in a 70 I have seen 
fry but after many past losses, today I deceided to pull some and see 
if I can raise them myself. The tank is straight RO water filtered 
over Eheim peat in a canister. The temp is 27-28c, the bottom is 
completely covered with hygrophila difformis and pygmy chain sword 
which is not doing as well as before using peat, and lots and lots of 
that root wood . I do not have a ph meter and the reagent tests  I 
have stop a PH of 5. With no buffer in the water I would guess it to 
be at a PH of 4 or so. The only tankmates that did not have to be 
rescued from this very territoral couple are a pair of A. nijessini 
and a pair of what would seem to be gay P. scalare. I have recently 
been pondering the behavioral effects if any of having too many 
plants with not enough open space in between them. If all you catch 
in the wild is juveniles in the thick plants, would it not stand to 
reason that the adult fish  would be utilizing deeper water and 
structure to hide and spawn. My fry and juvenile fish tend to hang 
out in the thicker vegetation while the adults are always on the 
bottom around structure. Just a thought. Good luck, they really are 
worth the effort.

Tim

>From: David Sanchez <barbax2@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
>To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
>Subject: A.atahualpa 'sunset' & Laetacara sp.?
>Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>I have just brought back some realy intresting little
>fellows. They are a Laetacara sp. of sorts. I need
>some help in Identifing them. They are very high
>backed. They have a pronounced lateral spot with four
>transversal bars after the lateral spot. They have
>some bright turqouise stripes directly below the
>lateral spot and lateral line. The most pronounced
>feature is a very distinct marking on the operculem
>directly behind the eye. It is a dark black horizontel
>y shaped line with bright blue spots. The overall
>color is a light yellow with lots of yellow in the
>fins as well. (See crude illustration for a
>description of the marking, the @ is the eye.)
> [ @>--- ]
>I have searched all my resources to no avail. Anyone
>have any Ideas?
>
>I also picked some A.atahualpa 'sunset' I never really
>thought much about them but they are very attractive.
>Can anyone one share their experiences with them? 
>===
>
>David Sanchez
>Casselberry, FL
>http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax
>barbax2@yahoo.com
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