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  1. unitentified sp.
    by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Wed, 07 Oct 1998)
  2. unitentified sp.
    by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Wed, 07 Oct 1998)
  3. unitentified sp.
    by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Wed, 07 Oct 1998)
  4. unitentified sp.
    by Ken Laidlaw <K.Laidlaw/roe.ac.uk> (Thu, 8 Oct 1998)
  5. unitentified sp.
    by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Thu, 08 Oct 1998)
  6. unitentified sp.
    by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Thu, 08 Oct 1998)
  7. unitentified sp.
    by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com> (Thu, 08 Oct 1998)

unitentified sp.

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com

This looks like a fun way to learn how to ID apistos! Maybe we should all try our
hand at it. Then maybe we could do this with some of the other commonly available
books, Aqualog for example.

Mike Wise

Ken Laidlaw wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'll have a go with some but I may well be wrong so don't
> take this as gospel.
>
> p125
> Top left A.diplotaenia
> top right A.diplotaenia

Nope, A. diplotaenia doesn't have a lyre tail nor such wide, even rows of spots on
the tail. Someone want to try again?

> Mid left A. sp rotpunkt (red spot)

Right on! Actually the Blue-cheek form.

> mid right A. sp rotpunkt

Correct! Possibly the Puerto Narino form.

> bot left can't remember though it has been discussed
> recently on the list, as similar to A.iniridae)

You're right again on both counts. Does anyone remember its name? Hint: The photo is
overexposed. The cheeks and gill covers have more red than seen here.

> bot right A.rupununi

Right again!

> p128
> ? to all except bot right = A. sp rotkeil (which now has a
> proper name).

I'm not sure what you're calling bottom right. My copy is blank there. Anyway, none
of the fish are A. uaupesi (=A. sp. Rotkeil). A. uaupesi has a high sailfin & lyre
tail.

Anyone else out there have any ideas on any of these fish? All have been discussed
in the hobby and have be given some kind of name. I'll give an extra at-a-boy(girl)
for anyone who can ID the photo on the top left of page 128. How about the ID of the
fish on p 123, bottom left?

> On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:48:13 EDT Mayalauren-at-aol.com wrote:
>
> > Does anybody know the identities of the fish pictured on pp125 & 128 of the
> > Hans-Joakim Richter book "Complete Book Of Dwarf Cichlids". They are listed as
> > unidentified but it was published a while back... and I was just wondering if
> > I could update it a little with a ballpoint!
> > Jason
> >
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unitentified sp.

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998
To: apisto/majordomo.pobox.com



Mayalauren-at-aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/7/98 1:27:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> apistowise-at-bewellnet.com writes:
>
> << > p125
>  > Top left A.diplotaenia
>  > top right A.diplotaenia
>
>  Nope, A. diplotaenia doesn't have a lyre tail nor such wide, even rows of
> spots on
>  the tail. Someone want to try again? >>
>
> Okay... How about A.sp Rio Mabo?

Sorry, but it doesn't belong to the diplotaenia-group. A. sp. Rio Mabo has a
round tail. Hint: this species is part of the elizabethae-complex and usually
doesn't show the lower band so prominently.

> Page 123 I'm going with A. sp Mamore Blue.

Excellent! The lateral band that gets broader toward the tail is diagnostic of A.
sp. Mamoré. Note the lack of the diagonal band (only an anal spot). Doesn't it
have a red tail, making it A. sp. Mamoré (Red)?

> Page 125 bottom left
> page 128 Top left A. sp Wangenfleck.

Good guess, but not quite on the mark. It is a member of the resticulosa-complex,
like A. sp. Wangenflecken. It has a slightly more elongate body than
Wangenflecken. The lateral band is broader and the dorsal fin is lower. This fish
also has a slightly lower, broader, caudal peduncle spot than does Wangenflecken.
Hint: this fish is thought to occur in the middle Amazon because all imported
specimens have come from Manaus.

>                top right  A. resticulosa

Right group (regani-group) but wrong complex (it belongs to the caetei-complex).
Hint: this fish come from the Isla de Marajó, the gigantic island at the mouth of
the Amazon River.

>                mid.right A. cf Pertensis

Close, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades! It is a member of
the pertensis-group. Its body is much more stocky than that of A. pertensis and
the dorsal is lower. Hint: how many abdominal spot-stripes are there?

> And damn the rest of them ! :-)

That's exactly what virtually every person who has tried to spawn this species
has said! Hint: it, too, is a member of the elizabethae-complex and both fish are
the same species, believe it or not. The color pattern on the tail varies
according to which Rio Negro tributary it has been collected out of.

Mike Wise

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unitentified sp.

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998
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Jason,

Mayalauren-at-aol.com wrote:

> One last try!!
> Okay page 125 top two A. paucisquamis.

Right! All specimens of the elizabethae-complex show a secondary lateral band
below the primary one, even A. elizabethae (when dead). Römer considers this
complex to be a sub-complex of the bitaeniata-complex.

> Page 128    Top left A. smaragd

Sorry, A. sp. Smaragd (Emerald) is actually a green color variant of A. geisleri,
a member of the regani-complex. Don't feel too bad about missing this one, this
species is rarely seen or reported on in the hobby.

>                  Mid right  A.sp four stripes/agacucho.

Right, again. I don't know exactly where the misspelled term "agacucho" first
found its way into the hobby. It's actually supposed to be Ayacucho, after Puerto
Ayacucho, Venezuela. This is one of the export stations from which this species
has be shipped. It's also known from the upper Rio Negro, so I woundn't be
surprised if it's found in streams between these two locations.

> And if I don't have any right I'm gonna quit apistos and go buy me an oscar!!
> Jason

Your apistos have been saved from the jaws of an oscar!Any guesses on the two
fish, p. 128 mid & bottom left?

Mike Wise

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unitentified sp.

by Ken Laidlaw <K.Laidlaw/roe.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998
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> > ? to all except bot right = A. sp rotkeil (which now has a
> > proper name).
> 
> I'm not sure what you're calling bottom right. My copy is blank there. Anyway, none
> of the fish are A. uaupesi (=A. sp. Rotkeil). A. uaupesi has a high sailfin & lyre
> tail.
My copy (1989) has six pictures on p128, the bot right says 
photo by Linke.  You can clearly see a red wedge shaped 
marking in the tail.

Ken.



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unitentified sp.

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998
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Mayalauren-at-aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/7/98 6:14:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> apistowise-at-bewellnet.com writes:
>
> << Your apistos have been saved from the jaws of an oscar!Any guesses on the
> two
>  fish, p. 128 mid & bottom left? >>
>
> This is it, it's got to be A mendezi.

Correct!

> As for 125 bottom left...It looks like something close to A. uapesi to me...

This is A. sp. Blutkehl (Cut-throat) that was recently discussed on the mailing
list. It is closely related to A. uaupesi, but breeding studies reported by
Mayland & Bork indicate it is in fact a different species.

> 128 top left A.taeniata

Nope. This is an old favorite of mine, A. cf. caetei Rotwangen (Red-cheek). This
was the original A. caetei that entered the hobby in the early 80s. It's a
beautiful fish with lots of blue on the flanks and red on the gill covers - and
easy to breed, too. There are subtle differences from the true A. caetei in the
caudal pattern (not again!), dorsal fin height, and size to question whether or
not it is A. caetei.

> 128 top right... I give up!!

This is A. sp. Blauglanz (Blue-sheen), a pretty but rarely seen member of the
resticulosa-complex.

Would anyone be interested in trying to ID fish in other books? Perhaps we could
go through the Aqualog book and correct some of the mis-IDs.

Mike Wise

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unitentified sp.

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998
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My copy is a first printing so I guess they added pictures later. From what you describe
it does sound like A. uaupesi.

Mike

Ken Laidlaw wrote:

> > > ? to all except bot right = A. sp rotkeil (which now has a
> > > proper name).
> >
> > I'm not sure what you're calling bottom right. My copy is blank there. Anyway, none
> > of the fish are A. uaupesi (=A. sp. Rotkeil). A. uaupesi has a high sailfin & lyre
> > tail.
> My copy (1989) has six pictures on p128, the bot right says
> photo by Linke.  You can clearly see a red wedge shaped
> marking in the tail.
>
> Ken.
>
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unitentified sp.

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/bewellnet.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998
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Doug,

Your right. My mistake.

Mike Wise

Doug Brown wrote:

> Hopefully these are reversed in my book. The A. cf. caeti is top right?
>
> >> 128 top left A.taeniata
> >
> >Nope. This is an old favorite of mine, A. cf. caetei Rotwangen (Red-cheek)...
>
> >> 128 top right... I give up!!
> >
> >This is A. sp. Blauglanz (Blue-sheen), a pretty but rarely seen member of the
> >resticulosa-complex.
>
> Is the female in the background likely the same species? Her spawning
> coloration looks quite different than that of my (alleged) A. resticulosa
> "Red Mask".
>
> >Would anyone be interested in trying to ID fish in other books? Perhaps we
> >could
> >go through the Aqualog book and correct some of the mis-IDs.
>
> While I'm writing all this in, are there more formal names associated with
> the varieties of A. borelli on p61, A. agassizii on p64, A. gibbiceps on
> p106 and A. hongsloi on p108?
>
> I am ordering Aqualog and would love to get corrections, but with my record
> so far maybe I'll just lurk!
>
> -Doug Brown
> debrown-at-kodak.com
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