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Apistogramma sp. "Breitbinden"


  1. Mystery fish
    by Tom Mroz <tmroz/> (Tue, 26 Aug 1997)
  2. OK, What's this Apisto?
    by Randy <carey/> (Wed, 27 Aug 1997)
  3. Apistogramma species "breitbinden"
    by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/> (Sun, 15 Nov 1998)



photo by Erik Olson

Mystery fish

by Tom Mroz <tmroz/>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997
To: "'eriko/'" (e-mail)

I'd almost bet the farm that all except your last photo are A. 
"brietbinden".  Though I can't see all the markers on the photos because of 
how the fish is positioned, one of the kickers is the vertical banding on 
the top ~1/3 of the caudal, with spotting and banding below that.  Also 
helpful is the "spikey" nature of the dorsal, and the pointed delta tail.

Watch this fish closely and look for some blue shading in the anal fin.  Go 
through the Linke and Staek (sp?) book description on "brietbinden" line by 
line while watching the fish.  It should match up all the way.  That's how 
I had to finally identify the fish I had that turned out to be 

Your "female", however, may not be the same species.  Note that "her" tail 
is rounded, and apparently not due to aggression or disease.  Also, the 
spot at her caudal peduncle is a possible tip-off.  THis looks to me like 
sp. 4-stripe.

I found A. sp. "brietbinden" and sp. "4-stripe" together in a shipment from 
the wild that was supposed to be A. gibbiceps several years ago, which 
suggests they are found together in the wild (there were NO gibbiceps in 
the shipment, however).  They are tough to tell the difference in until 
they get large enough for the male "brietbinden" to show their pointed tail 
and dorsals.

I have some "brietbinden" now - 1 male and 5 females.  I got them from 
someone in Texas that bought them wild from a store that had identified 
them as a new, unknown apisto.  There is no doubt to me on these fish.  In 
case you need a female or two, let me know!

Man, this is probably the best reason I like Apistos - they're like a box 
of chocolates!


OK, What's this Apisto?

by Randy <carey/>
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997
To: apisto/

Erik Olson wrote:

> Thanks to everyone on the list who ventured guesses at the first
> "What's
> this Apisto" last January (it was Apisto sp. "Puerto narino" according
> to
> Mike Wise, though "rotpunkt" and "schwarzum" are so close they might
> be
> the same species...).
> As I promised at the bottom of my last message, we've got some more
> fun
> strays, which came in as contaminents with agassizi, two "females" and
> one
> male.
> So what are they? Kathy thinks she has an answer, but I'll keep it
> quiet
> for a little bit. :) Point your favorite browser at XXX for some quickie
> video framegrabs I did this morning.
> We'll be writing an article for the local club (GSAS) and I'll try to
> put
> it up on the web when we have it.
> - Erik

I found a few species that are rather close, and I haven't totally ruled
them out, but for now I'm leaning toward a surprise answer: brietbinden.
Obviously the dorsal is far from the specatular ones seen in the adults,
but I'm assuming that these fish are rather young. When I grew up some
mystery Apisto's which turned into brietbinden, the juveniles went
through many feature changes and dorsal was the last to change.

Key features: subtle (dotted) belly stripes, truncate to slightly-forked
caudal, relatively shoirt ventrals (so it seems on your photos), caudal
pattern (middle with vertical patten of spots, outsides with horizontal
pattern), solid lateral band, suborbital stripe, many separated rays on
the dorsal. Furthermore, consistent with brietbinden: yellow on part of
the anal fin and on part of the caudal, the suborbital stripe tends to
be darker than the lateral band, the many separated dorsal rays could be
signs of yet-to-be-grown extensions, and the eye is very close to the
top of the head (viewed from its side).

If it's not brietbinden, I would use the above features to target other

--Randy Carey

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Apistogramma species "breitbinden"

by Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise/>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998
To: apisto/


Apistogramma sp. Breitbinden appears to have a wide distribution pattern. It was
originally found in the upper Rio Negro. Now it is also known to come from some
right bank tributaries of the middle Rio Orinoco around Puerto Ayacucho,
Venezuela. The form from there was introduced by Linke & Staeck (1997) as A. sp.
Caño Morrocoy. It is now believed to come from areas in between these two
locations, but this is not certain. See my discussion of 06 November 1998 about
A. sp. "four stripes" for water water values around Puerto Ayacucho. Water
conditions needed for A. sp. Caño Morrocoy are the same as those of A. sp.
Vierstreifen/Puerto Ayacucho.

Mike Wise

Jan Busser wrote:

> Last week I bouht a trio od Apistogramma ssp. "Breitbinden".
> They're very beautifull now that they are ajusted to there new environment.
> However, I don't have any information about this species.
> What I'm the most interested in is where they come from.
> Besides; I am a member, depite the rewuest lately to mail me privatly
> because I should not be a member; the Laetacara species I asked proovbed to
> be Thayeri, with spawn now. Thanks for your help back than.)
> Jan Busser.
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